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Re: UK local transportation tokens
« Reply #135 on: September 22, 2013, 07:26:58 PM »
Here are some decimal value from Sheffield. Stamp collectors: here's your chance to own a black penny :)

5 pence light blue added (mine is probably somewhat discoloured)

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Re: UK local transportation tokens
« Reply #136 on: November 04, 2013, 02:08:38 PM »
More from Sheffield. Note the word Tramways.

Added a three halfpence grey and halfpenny white. Note the missing dot in the denomination.
Added a halfpenny blue and two halfpennies for pupils. The two school tokens look the same, except for the colour. Variety or type?

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Re: UK local transportation tokens
« Reply #137 on: November 05, 2013, 08:33:16 PM »
West Yorkshire Passenger Transport Executive (WYPTE) is not in Voice - so might not be a fare token, but it did exist. That said, I have no explanation for the hole or for SOV. ST.  According to Wikipedia, they had no stop that fits that text.

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Re: UK local transportation tokens
« Reply #138 on: November 05, 2013, 10:09:10 PM »
SOV ST probably refers to the Leeds City Transport, Sovereign Street Depot in Leeds City Centre. [Part of WYPTE]

This depot was changed to minibuses only in the mid 1980's and now appears to have been sold for redevelopment.

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Re: UK local transportation tokens
« Reply #139 on: November 06, 2013, 12:15:48 AM »
These two tokens are a good counterpoint. North Midlands is a known quantity on the net, but the transport pool seems to have died before the internet. The penny is 26 mm, the 3d and 6d 27 mm.

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Edit: 6d added.

Anyone out there know where these tokens (North Midland Transport Pool) were used?
Smith (1990) has under Nottingham, but I think that somewhat unlikely as Nottingham had their own tokens.
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Re: UK local transportation tokens
« Reply #140 on: November 06, 2013, 01:04:59 AM »
Voice has them under Nottingham also. At the time, national bus companies and their regional affiliates operated side by side with local bus companies. One of the national companies was Midland Red North, with a depot in Nottingham.

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Re: UK local transportation tokens
« Reply #141 on: November 06, 2013, 01:19:28 AM »
I think that's a logo combining the letters ATC…

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Re: UK local transportation tokens
« Reply #142 on: November 06, 2013, 01:51:09 AM »
Smith confirms the monogram ATC but does not indicate what the C could be.

Previous issues were Aberdare Urban District Council, followed by Aberdare Tramways [also with ATC monogram]; then Aberdare Transport in use only from Feb 15 1971 to Aug 31 1971.
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Re: UK local transportation tokens
« Reply #143 on: November 06, 2013, 08:38:54 PM »
I'd say ABERDARE CORPORATION TRAMWAYS  :-*
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Re: UK local transportation tokens
« Reply #144 on: November 06, 2013, 09:08:20 PM »
No real conclusion there, possibly it could refer to Aberdare Council Tramway? ...reduced from Aberdare Urban District Council Tramways. Or even the Aberdare Tramway Company?

Owner   Aberdare Urban District Council
Opened   9th October 1913 (electric)
Operator   Aberdare Urban District Council
Closed   1st April 1935
Length   5.77 miles
Gauge   3ft 6ins
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Re: UK local transportation tokens
« Reply #145 on: November 06, 2013, 09:14:43 PM »
If you look at the other Corporation Tramway operations at that time they seem to go for the functional and somewhat grandiose .
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Re: UK local transportation tokens
« Reply #146 on: November 06, 2013, 09:35:11 PM »
Voice has them under Nottingham also. At the time, national bus companies and their regional affiliates operated side by side with local bus companies. One of the national companies was Midland Red North, with a depot in Nottingham.

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Nope, we (I still work for them) have never had a depot in Nottingham. :-\
Nottingham still has a municipal (Nottingham City Transport) which is council run and then a private company (Trent).  Trent were nationalised, but not until 1968 then sold again after 1986 act.

Your right in that "pool" refers to a mix of private bus companies / council municipals pooling their resources, so this token was used by more than one operators - at the present moment we just don'understand fully where.  It is unlikely to be Nottingham itself.

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http://archive.commercialmotor.com/article/31st-july-1953/25/protection-money
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« Reply #147 on: November 07, 2013, 06:56:04 AM »
Yes may have had too many glasses last night so having read the London Gazette of 1921 this morning, I'm plumping for Aberdare Council Tramways.  See http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/32398/pages/5845/page.pdf
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Re: UK local transportation tokens
« Reply #148 on: November 08, 2013, 05:49:56 AM »
Leeds City Transport. 1d large arms. White but well used thus dirty which helps to show the legend. 22.7mm.

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Re: UK local transportation tokens
« Reply #149 on: November 10, 2013, 10:38:47 AM »
Birmingham 1d
These are recorded as two types in some reference books -
with and without "forward" under the arms.

Isn't one just poorly made rather than it's own type?
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