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Strange Sudanese Coin of 1970
« on: December 18, 2011, 03:55:57 PM »
Can anyone help telling me the KM number of this piece?  ???

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Re: Strange Sudanese Coin of 1970
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2011, 04:50:13 PM »
Its KM 45.2 10 GHIRSH??
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Re: Strange Sudanese Coin of 1970
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2011, 04:59:00 PM »
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Re: Strange Sudanese Coin of 1970
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2011, 06:03:52 PM »
I don't think so. The word "Ghirsh" at the scanned coin is written larger, the upper legend is nearer to the rim, the coin is not Proof and the colour is not like Cupronickel.

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Re: Strange Sudanese Coin of 1970
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2011, 08:18:01 PM »
Looks like someone used the wrong planchet: bronze or bronze plated (should be visible on the edge) and maybe 1 mm too small. Should have been easy to spot, so presumably smuggled out of the mint. Any idea where KM45.2 was struck?

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Re: Strange Sudanese Coin of 1970
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2011, 08:45:04 PM »
KM #45.2 seems to be clear for the obverse, but this comes from San Francisco. Planchet could be KM #48 from Khartoum. Reverse from ????
Nothing gives really a sense ...

I tried to improve the scans I got from the owner of the coin. Tomorrow I ask him for weight and diametre.

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Re: Strange Sudanese Coin of 1970
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2011, 11:04:06 PM »
There are 4 variety of 10 Ghirsh listed in SCWC.

KM# 35.1 & 45.1 are with long numeral (1) whereas KM#35.2 & 45.2 are with short numeral (1)


Size of all 4 variety are 28 mm. For the types KM#  45.1 & 45.2 are with new arabic legends.

I guess your coin is Km# 35.2

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Re: Strange Sudanese Coin of 1970
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2011, 11:34:16 PM »
I'll be anxious to see.

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Re: Strange Sudanese Coin of 1970
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2011, 12:07:54 AM »
@ aan09 : It's still not coloured like copper-nickel ...

@ villa66 : I'm not sure about the meaning of your words. Do you think about a fake/phantasy?

To me the worst case is: It's a copper galvanized Proof piece worn some weeks in in the purse ...

Best case would be: It's a pattern/trial strike.

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Re: Strange Sudanese Coin of 1970
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2011, 03:35:23 AM »
...@ villa66 : I'm not sure about the meaning of your words. Do you think about a fake/phantasy?
I went through several stages of thought, and my guess is that it's fake, copper-plated or copper-washed. But the denomination does seem strangely written (and always I hope the owner has something neat!), so....

What I finally decided--not for the first time--is that I don't really know, and that I ought to just shut up.

Really, I just meant that I'm curious to find out what you all decide. You guys know more about these coins than I do.

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Re: Strange Sudanese Coin of 1970
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2011, 03:41:30 AM »
Hello Afrasi
I was not sure...I am curious to know which is this coin.
Reason for my guess was dot mark (.)after years ,you will find on KM#45.2
Waiting curiously for final outcome.
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Re: Strange Sudanese Coin of 1970
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2011, 12:41:51 PM »
@ aan09 : It's still not coloured like copper-nickel ...


I 've two 10 Ghirsh coins in my collection bought from  Omdurman adjacent to Khartoum in 2007.

Color of both coins was dark like reddish copper don't have coins with me at this moment  will check it  later .

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Re: Strange Sudanese Coin of 1970
« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2011, 03:34:51 PM »
On the reverse of the coin of this thread has no reeded rim while the obverse has (as like as KM59.5 where the obverse has the eagle). But all the 10 Girish with camel on the  obverse the both side shows reeded rim. I guess of a mule if genuine.

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Re: Strange Sudanese Coin of 1970
« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2011, 07:57:52 PM »
I asked the owner for weigth and diametre. He is a collector without scales and measuring instrument ...  ::)
But I know him. He is honest and has one of the best collections of African coins in the world.

The coin is much smaller, than the usual pieces and is of copper-galvanized steel. So now my worst guess is: playing money. My best one is still: A pattern.

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Re: Strange Sudanese Coin of 1970
« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2011, 12:28:43 AM »
If the size of the planchet is not close to that of a 10 ghirsh, there can be no question of a switched planchet. That also means that there's little hope it's an error, since it would have involved a die and a reducing machine. In view of the dates KM lists for the patterns, fantasy seems the most likely, but who'd do a thing like that and why?

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