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The Mint Birmingham Ltd
« on: September 18, 2011, 01:56:39 AM »
But which one?
Heaton's I presume?



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Re: The Mint Birmingham Ltd
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2011, 03:16:32 AM »
Yes just one of the changes of name; this change in around 1889.
Probably during 1889 a new obverse was issued with the new company name [the latter image with figures of male worker and female artist etc.] Later, the reverse was changed to that shown on the former image.
No date shown when this occurred.

From 'A Numismatic History of the Birmingham Mint' by James O Sweeny; Publ. by the Birmingham Mint 1981
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Re: The Mint Birmingham Ltd
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2011, 10:26:19 AM »
Highly interesting. The piece is of course made like a coin, but from the list of products mentioned, it is clear that they are looking for clients for other products also. Sheets and blanks are necessary for coinage, but strip wire and tubes are not, so apparently, times are bad for minting and they have some extra machinery to produce stuff for metal working plants.

The piece itself is not the sort of quality you'd expect from an advertising piece from The Mint either. Part of the edge seems off the planchet and, judging from the picture, the strike is relatively weak (look at the faces, this is a token, it can't all be wear.) The artwork is perfectly nice though.

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Re: The Mint Birmingham Ltd
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2011, 11:52:49 AM »
This was struck in aluminium with 3-1/2% magnesium - so would not wear too well; also seems not to have been treated well and it is around a century old!
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Re: The Mint Birmingham Ltd
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2011, 10:20:45 PM »
These are the commonest type to look anything like this - they are Copper-Nickel - the one at the start of this topic has a lot of wear and even more damage to the edge..... It would have looked rather like my pieces once....

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Re: The Mint Birmingham Ltd
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2011, 11:00:11 PM »
These were struck in three metals; Nickel, 75/25 Copper-nickel and Aluminium (3.5% magnesium) this latter has a reeded edge which unfortunately can't be seen in the first images.
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Re: The Mint Birmingham Ltd
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2011, 11:22:41 PM »
Mine is the cu-ni version,
I think at some point it's had it's edge filed off - presumably to make it the same diameter as a shilling - but not a terribly good plan as it's still rather thinner.
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Re: The Mint Birmingham Ltd
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2011, 11:23:55 PM »
Relatively - it would seem to me... copper-nickel (approx 25mm diameter) common all others at least scarce.

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Re: The Mint Birmingham Ltd
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2011, 01:35:19 AM »
Here is a later bronze issue, this measures 31mm.

[my aluminium piece was stolen many years ago - so just a memory]
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Re: The Mint Birmingham Ltd
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2011, 01:49:16 AM »
I think this piece is a good illustration of why they had to close. Very conservative, Britain-centered and history minded. Not the way to appeal to newly independent nations.

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Re: The Mint Birmingham Ltd
« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2011, 01:19:55 AM »
An unissued Award type - recently acquired. A massive 50mm.

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Re: The Mint Birmingham Ltd
« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2011, 08:06:01 AM »
In a similar vein to malj1's, I have this, which I presume is produced by the same outfit. Diameter 38.4 mm, weight 27.72 g, made of nickel-brass or some such alloy (not magnetic).

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Re: The Mint Birmingham Ltd
« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2011, 05:56:51 AM »
Another series of tokens, that of the Centenary Birmingham tokens by Davis and Macmillan have also used a similar coat of arms used by the Birmingham Mint.
from The 'Token coinage of Warwickshire' by W J Davis publ. 1895 we have the following advertisement.

 

In the exergue of the reverse of the token appear the intials D & M
also an image of the Mint piece for comparison.
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Re: The Mint Birmingham Ltd
« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2011, 10:06:03 PM »
The coat of arms og the city of Birmingham....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_Birmingham

I recently got an apparently copper-nickel Proof piece for this mint... note with just "H" and from 1986. (A piece already shown in this thread include "H" and "KN".)

"INDUSTRY YEAR 1986", 32mm - I think I have seen a slightly larger Silver Proof version of this one - not sure.

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Re: The Mint Birmingham Ltd
« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2013, 04:16:14 AM »
I came across the eBay guides today;

The Birmingham Mint & Matthew Boulton's Soho Mint : eBay Guides

I quote...
The Birmingham Mint
The Birmingham Mint went into liquidation in March 2003, after 209 years existence as one of the world's leading mints. It was formed from Matthew Boulton and James Watt's Soho Mint and Ralph Heaton's, taking in the King's Norton Metal Company along the way.
The Soho Mint, under Matthew Boulton's initiative was the foremost mint of its day, mainly due to its industrialisation, and the design, building and installation of innovative and powerful machinery. Boulton was one of the leaders of the Industrial Revolution. James Watt is famous for harnessing steam power.
We note that the mint was acquired by JFT Law & Co Ltd and Stirchley Machine Tools Ltd in 2003, presumably from the liquidators......


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